Friday, December 28, 2012

Avoid another partition by 2020.

Here r two views. My third view is forget whatever happened and let's live in amity, follow brotherhood, follow nationalism ( shed communilism, have family planning and give good sanskar to children) and rise, These are no times to stick to bull shit narrow thinking but a fast competition era. China , Malaysia , Korea etc are going far ahead and we r crying on dead past. If Hindus and Muslims do not modernize their thinking then we will have another partition by 2020.
So all social organizations have a roll to play in working for  progress and new thinking.
Govt has to give incentive for interlingual and inter faith marriages. 

Thanks and Regards,
Alok Tholiya,

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From: sri venkat
Date: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:26 AM
Subject: [Swadeswethepeople] What if India was not partitioned?

I think partition gave some breathing space for Hindus albeit with
some heavy cost in the form of the sacrifice of the Hindus in the
Bangladesh and Pakistan. Had partition not occured Muslims would have
thrived in India at the direct expense of Hindus. Ten fold more Hindus
girls would have married these liberal Muslims. Creation of Pakistan
seems to have isolated Islamic extremism and gave Hindus some well
needed temporary relief and the ability to regroup

Read some frank thoughts of Syed Shahabuddin.


Reality of Pakistan after 60 years

By Syed Shahabuddin
Tuesday 25 December 2012

IT is not surprising that after 60 years of existence, Pakistan has
not been able to develop a sense of common nationhood or even social
cohesion. It remains fragmented, as it is, among five or six different
ethnic groups.

Sectarian, linguistic and class differences, exploding into violence
from time to time, it could not build up a viable system of Islamic
laws. Even in the Malakand Division of FATA, including the Swat, the
enforcement of Shariah, often praised by the Pakistani orthodoxy, is
based on the British concession in the 1930s to the tribals that the
civil and criminal laws that operated in the subcontinent did not
apply to their region.

Finally, as conceived by Iqbal, Pakistan was to be a political
laboratory for experimenting with an Islamic polity in the modern
world or the evolution of Muslim jurisprudence to come to terms with
modern life. Neither has made any progress. Nor has Pakistan ever
achieved an Islamic personality.

In Pakistan most of the laws now in force are the same as those in
India. Not only from the legal point of view but even culturally, to
the extent that Urdu is the language of the elite in Pakistan, and
even religiously Pakistan is much closer to India than to any other
part of the Muslim world.

Most important, if 150 million Muslims continue to be equal citizens
of India, occasional violence and persistent discrimination
notwithstanding, the question is beginning to be asked not only in
India but in Pakistan about the rationale for the division of the

The Muslim community of the subcontinent, now divided into three
states, would have not only prospered but lived more securely and made
greater contribution in the realm of fine arts, science, humanities
and sports, had their organic unity not been sacrificed at the altar
of politics or, shall we say, the interest of the Muslim elite or the
hurt ego of an individual, who at one time was one of the top leaders
of the national freedom movement, and who was dropped like a fly in
the ointment when he raised his voice against Hindu majoritorianism
and asked for democratic safeguards and guarantees for the Muslims as
the biggest minority.

Partition resulted from the failure of the freedom movement to evolve
a formula acceptable to both communities.

Nor did Pakistanis experience any cultural synthesis among the
Bengalis, the Punjabis, the Sindhis, the Saraikis the Pakhtoons, the
Balochis and the Biharis. Some of them speak Urdu but most prefer to
use their own mother tongue. Some of them even agitate against Urdu
being given the official language status. Even the great Urdu poet
Faiz, a Left activist, led a precession in Lahore against Urdu
becoming the sole language for official communication and the first
language in schools. Just about five per cent of the people of
Pakistan declare Urdu as their mother tongue.

In 1960s Muslim Indians continued to trickle into East Pakistan on
what was called the “Gardania” passport. After the explosion in East
Pakistan, which created Bangladesh, the “Bihari” Muslims in
substantial numbers crossed the border to take refuge in India,
sometimes escorted by the Indian Army. The interesting aspect is that
when they reached their original villages, their Hindu neighbors
welcomed them, albeit with a touch of sarcasm but no hostility. Indeed
it is their own relatives who became apprehensive that the returnees
may dispute their possession of the entire family property and
reported them to the authorities. Hardly any cases were report by the
Hindu neighbors.

In a united subcontinent the Muslims would today number about 450
million out of a total population of about 1800 million. Almost half
the national territory would be covered by Muslim concentration states
and districts. In a federal Indian polity, these Muslim pockets would
enjoy almost complete autonomy but, as Maulana Abul Kalam Azad put it,
they neither achieved an Islamic homeland nor equal citizenship in the
country of their birth. In the reorganization of states, the Sikhs got
the Sikh state; the tribals got many tribal states and some are
struggling for more. But the support Muslims extended in the 1940s to
the Pakistan Movement has not been forgotten. Hindu communalism has
opposed the reorganization of pockets of Muslim concentration as in
Purnea or Rohilkhand or Marathwada or Malda or Murshidabad in West
Bengal. Even the areas in which the Muslims form 30 to 40 percent of
the population continue to face hostility, distrust and

Perhaps the Muslims of united India would have been better received.

Yes, Muslim Indians continue to be silently dubbed in India as
Pakistanis and perceived increasingly as terrorists. They live in
fear; their muhallas are under close observation in a state of siege
by the state. These are occasionally targeted by majoritarian
violence; the last genocide occurred in Gujarat in 2002. But their
population continuously grows and today they constitute roughly 15
percent of the national population.

Unfortunately without proportional representation in central or state
legislatures or in administration or even in the Panchayti Raj
institutions, they do not enjoy real power. And when they speak of
discrimination, they are advised to leave India and go to Pakistan if
they are not happy.

What Muslims lost in 1947 is incalculable and the possibilities of
their development have been stunted by the very existence of Pakistan.
Over the last 60 years, Muslim Indians have suffered and survived,
they have proved their resilience, a capacity to rise from the ashes
to build a community, which, to quote Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, is as
proud of being Indian as it is of being Muslim. As India develops,
Muslim Indians are also developing though not in the same measure. But
an objective look on cities, towns, qasbas or even villages will show,
they have made marked progress educationally, economically and
socially. There are no doubt pockets of backward-ness and deprivation.
The virus of Hindu majoritarianism has entered the bloodstream of the
Indian nation. But secular forces would not let it deny constitutional
equality and social justice to the Muslim Indians.

Partition was thus ill-conceived and became a bad bargain for the
Muslims in the Muslim minority provinces of British India. Indeed it
may turn out to be a tragedy. It also continues to cast an ominous
shadow over their future because the anti-Muslim forces in India,
without any rhyme or reason, continue to consider the present
generation of Muslims as responsible for the creation of Pakistan and
look upon them as Pakistanis or Pakistani sympathizers and in any
situation of conflict between the two states, as political aliens and
at least fifth columnists.


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Re: clear, transparent, frank relations stay life long and rest fall apart

Re: clear, transparent, frank relations stay life long and rest fall apart

Ashok Jain
Dec 26 (3 days ago)

to me
Dear Alok ji,

Good morning. What a nice piece of thoughts, very common subject, but who gathers time to write like this, only u and u can do it. 

What you wrote is a principled approach towards, building happy relationships.

I liked it and confirm to your approach.

Have a nice day. Keep writing, but in small paragraphs, little edit it before pressing the button to go...

Ashok Jain

On 26-Dec-2012, at 5:24, Alok Tholiya <> wrote:
There was a clear cut accounting between Dadaji and me like dadaji will have with outsiders. Only difference is he wud not charge interests and not give me reminders. But I will keep borrowing and returning as soon as possible. Even with Daddy our accounts were settled regularly.
With Sushama jiji we have maximum transactions for simple reason she will write and collect / pay for all expenses that is have frank and open accounting. She always came running to help from my marriage time to till date but accounting she will collect or pay even five rupees which keeps everyone happy at the end.
On rakhi and other festival it was only token of giftiesm (Rs 5 or Rs 11/-) and rest was love and helping each other in crises. I find one may have to remain Hungary, helpless, may be harassed etc but finally on D day he gets a gift. What hypocrisy. Many care hell for a person rather often make others life a hell but on occasions gift him big cards/ throw a party, give costly gift. If you can pour burning coal on someone ( by expectations), enjoy not serving food in time, enjoy his suffering and do not extend help and then  give a big gift ? For what?? To satisfy that you are a rich man with status and impress to samaj that you are closest well wisher and relative??

I will rather gift a book but make myself humbly available in case one of my own needs me.

So my request if I am giving any work, asking to buy and send something then I have a right to take favors / trouble you but I am not asking anything for free, not expecting others to even spend on packing and despaching. That all has to be accounted and charged to me.
IF this idea does not gel with you and I do not get bill by email for items I have ordered by email then I will realize that in future I have been blocked by you and cannot ask for favours.
Dear , Asking favors and getting it brings each other near and if favour is asked and denied breaks the relations as the person showing back for no serious reason is mean, timid, selfish and better remains out of your circle. Relations are meaningless if one can not give and take favors but to expect freeka, haramka, to expect brother in law pay , to expect ordered items to be free is a cheap persons mentality and you are demeaning me and my sanskar from Daddy if you are insisting to not to accept money for ordered items.
I know of names like one Borker who did not take some money what he spent at the time of marriage of Pattu but after a year or so he bought something from my shop and never paid for it.

So taking or giving free accounts remain in minds most often and if not in yours but in the minds of wife, children etc and which spoils relations. Hisab ki jagah hishab is the only right principle and mantra to good long relations.
Many of my friends and relatives could have brought extremely needed good items from abroad but as they feel shy of collecting money they just bring chocolates. In whole life I can not count one good useful item from any of foreign living / visiting person except small unnoticeable complimentary  as we don’t have frank relations of kya bhai kuch jaruri saman lana hei kya , han to la paise de and happily one can get rare useful item. Only once in life time I insisted one close relative  to give me KINDLE and collect money but he too said I have brought for my friend and will get you that but????? But???????

However now scene has changed everything is available here, I too can fly anywhere anytime, or now on eBay or similar sites everything is available.
Seeking help at the time of daughter’s marriage, sickness, seeking help at most upsetting issue of family being faced is common and at that time not getting help is not understandable and Not pardonable and such irresponsible persons must  be dealt in proper reciprocation.

I request you and thru this mail all others to grant me right to come near to you by seeking favours, giving favours but not seeking free ka.
Thanks and Regards,
Alok Tholiya,

NB: exception proves the rule.

Getting/ asking / giving discount to known is a good gesture but totally waiving bill is bad and will spoil relations.
This was about expenses and products which are quantifiable. What about services which I receive from professionals, social workers, contacts in govt, politicians for free. Mail on that some other time.
These mail are for awareness, are blunt, are intended to hurt and penetrate the conscience of all and book on my mails will be may be published and liked post my death.

Thursday, December 27, 2012

Cabinet passes bill on swift divorce....Alok thanks PM

Alok Tholiya
9:28 AM (0 minutes ago)

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Hon PM.,

I read with great satisfaction and relief that under your chairmanship a bill has been passed to give fast relief to severally affected married couples seeking divorce.

Pl. make is act soon by an ordinance.

Besides mass publicity/ awareness programme will have to be launched by govt to educate about this bill to all.

At the times when women are facing atrocities at the hands of mentally sick romeos and rapists this bill is very much appreciated.

May god bless you and all those who work for downtrodden, sick,challenged, women and senior citizens.

Thanks and Regards,
Alok Tholiya,

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From: Blogger <>
Date: Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:12 AM
Subject: [Women's Dignity] Swift divorce: Source Forum

Posted: 27 Dec 2012 09:58 PM PST

The Union cabinet has cleared the way for couples to obtain a swift divorce in situations of "irretrievable breakdown of marriage". The Marriage Laws (Amendment) Bill 2010 seeks to amend two acts governing marriage - the Hindu Marriage Act 1955 and the Special Marriage Act 1954.
Sometimes, couples decide to divorce on mutual consent but later one party does not come to court or wilfully avoids the court to keep the divorce proceedings inconclusive. The amended law will save the other party such unnecessary delays and harassment.
The Bill was approved on Thursday by the cabinet chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. The Bill has been prepared on the recommendations of the Law Commission as well as the Supreme Court that "irretrievable breakdown of marriage"should be incorporated as "another ground for grant of divorce".
Welcoming this move, Jyotsna Chatterji, director of the Joint Women's Programme said: "This will make it possible for couples who have decided on divorce by mutual consent to be granted a swift divorce. It will help prevent the retractions, lies, etc. which happens in case of long delays."Chatterji who has earlier worked on the amendment to the Indian Divorce Act, added:
"There is the probability that the woman becomes the sufferer as Indian society doesn't take too kindly to single women and that too divorced."
But at the same time, she said a swift divorce at times would help women from agreeing to continue in a bad marriage. This new clause - the "irretrievable breakdown of marriage."- will be in addition to the existing grounds for divorce, which include adultery, cruelty, desertion, conversion to another religion, unsoundness of mind, virulent and incurable form of leprosy, venereal disease in a communicable form, renouncement of the world and not heard as being alive for a period of seven years.
Apart from this, Section 13-B of the Hindu Marriage Act and Section 28 of the Special Marriage Act also provide for divorce by mutual consent as a ground for presenting a petition for divorce. Such a petition, if not withdrawn before six months after its presentation or not later than 18 months, then the court may, on being satisfied, grant decree of divorce by mutual consent.
In cases of mutual consent, it has often been found that one of the parties suddenly abstains himself or herself from court and keeps the divorce proceedings inconclusive, causing considerable hardship to the party. This will help such parties from the long drawn harassment in courts.
Ranjana Kumari of Woman Power Connect said: "Such a move would ordinarily be welcome. But in a patriarchal society where the decision to break a marriage largely rests with the man, he can also prove easily the irretrievable breakdown of marriage to suit himself. Moreover, most marriages in India are arranged marriages where the woman has no say. So before deciding to make this major change in the law, considerable thought needs to go into it and we must act with caution."
Madhu Kishwar of 'Manushi' - a women's rights group - welcoming the move, added a note of caution. "What if one partner feels there is an irretrievable breakdown of the marriage but the other does not?"

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