Women's Dignity: The world confirms that India on 4 th Rank of comm...

Women's Dignity: The world confirms that India on 4 th Rank of comm...: "omments from sender : We all know it. We have seen this in our families,neighbourhood,But man nahi manata. As we are a nation of sick menta..."

Jain sadhus are equally responsible as they worry abt kanda lahsun but not against wife beating, against dahej/Dowry, against arm-twisting and insulting of bride side by groom side , against pressure of samaj on marriage show offs , on pressure of boy side to do marriage functions in particular way and with particular standard as if their whole lifes mission is that as a boy side they will accomplish all their glamour hungry saitan with in at the time of son's marriage.

Don't earn bad karma's my adviose to rich IITians........Alok

My reply to BX Ghosh and all others blessed by almighty but request to not to block supplies of poor...Alok

dear All,
Namaskar. Pl. pl. pl. understand that there r millions of children / youth in my country called India (enslaved by politicians and bureaucrats for last 60 yrs) who dont get food, water, shelter. They die of undernourishment. If u have a spoilt toy to be thrown in bin then pl. send me and i have millions of toddlers who have never seen them and wud like to get one old and see smile on their face. If u have a pair of sleepers to be thrown then pl. send me as here in my city and around in Adivasi areas there r millions walking barefoot in 50 degree temperature, or walking on rough surfaces and so on....

I am not surprised by people commenting these way that our youth want the latest and best yes cause u have seen only ur youth brought up in that environment. But India exists elsewhere too.

I welcome to move to introduce the cheap comp for that segment of my brother and sisters. There r some who will get exposure to some technology and dont try to deprive them. My only concern as alwys is
1. Whether ordered and quantity paid for will be delivered?
2.Whether it will be really reaching the needy or will be sold in black?
3. whether officers in charge will harass / delay/ make them wait for months and then ask for bribe to release the same. etc etc ..

But there r definitely millions who need them and atleast few will get them.

I wud appeal to u all blessed if u have usable old clothes, household items, footwear, books, toys,pc etc etc instead of throwing or giving it scrap merchant donate to poor / adivasies etc.. If u cant find such orgs and if convenient then send me those items ( in usable/ clean conditions) and I will distribute nr Virar adivasi backward areas and send you photo of same.

And for havens sake do ur best for ur children as u can but do not enter bad karma by blocking the supplies of por / have nots. Rather encourge, and if means permit take chrge of such distribution so it is not misused by officers.

Alok Tholiya
atholiya@gmail.com
www.aloktholiys.blogspot.com
+919324225699

--- In nationalnetworkforindia1@yahoogroups.com, Satish Jha wrote:
>
> For those who care: not a single Android PDA is priced below $499. The
> average price of what is in demand is about $699 plus taxes and essential
> accessories.. These devices are for communication and consumption. Not for
> learning.
>
> Incidentally, while India can boast of $700 cell phone connections, the US
> students are on to the PDAs. Cell phones don't have a market anymore. In
> India, PDA market may not be larger than 1 million a year against $200
> million cell phones lines added last year. (someone may bring precision to
> the data here). In the US market, PDAs are more than half the market..
> Effectively leaving the gap where it has been in the case of toilets or
> drinking water or sanitation or calorie intake or whatever criteria one may
> adopt.. give or take some, the story is similar..
>
> But it does not have to be. All it requires it a simple thought.. where are
> we headed.. what will get us there.. rather than we cannot do this or we
> cannot do that..
>
> These devices are not going to be sold for $49 just yet.
>
> I will give one example:
>
> I purchased an AT&T cell phone in NY in 1994 for $800
> Then in India in 1996: $800
> Another Nokia 9000 in 1998: $800
> Blackberry: 2004: $800
> iPhone 2006: $800
> Blackberry: 2008: $800
> Blackberry: 2010: $800
> Android: HTC AT&T: $699++: abt $800
> iPhone 2011: $699 ++ abt $800
>
> Not counting the change, its about the same price.
>
> Its similar curve for the laptop, around $2000 for a comparable laptop -
> 1988 onwards..
>
> In nominal terms, prices have remained about the same while capabilities of
> these instruments continues to improve and so does our need.
>
> Anything that does not offer value for nothing is too expensive. Anything
> that offers value for whatever price one pays is cheap.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Satyajit Roy wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > $49 Tablet based on Android should be compatible with Apps being created in
> > the Google App Store. https://market.android.com/
> > They do not yet have the large base as the Ipad today, as it started later,
> > but as Android devices become more popular worldwide, apps will become
> > available on both devices. IMHO, just as Windows beat Apple, due to its
> > closed nature and cost, android devices is the way of the global future :)
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: IIT-Global-DiscussionGroup@yahoogroups.com
> > From: bxghosh@...
> > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:59:31 +0530
> > Subject: Re: IIT Global Discussion Group Govt to begin field trial of
> > low-cost computer soon: Cost Rs 4772+ Rs 1500= Rs 6272 per browser tablet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If Mr. Kannan is reading this, can you please spell out the specifications
> > of the $35 (now $49+) tablet (laptop?), just to prove Mr. Jha wrong? If you
> > can't, then we will have to assume that Mr. Jha is right and Mr. Sinha and
> > his team is taking the HRD minister and the country for a ride.
> >
> > I have a simple question. Will this tablet of yours be better than the
> > ipad2, or the plethora of tablets coming out in the market in terms of
> > hardware capability and software support (and portability)? I would
> > appreciate an unequivocal YES or NO answer (with of course the specs backing
> > it).
> >
> > If it is not, then why is the nation spending so much money behind it?
> > Todays youth has no patience for technology which is two years old (let
> > alone 10 or 20 that your device seems to be) with curtailed or limited power
> > and utility. They will reject your offering like so much junk!
> >
> > You would have done much better to use the Government's bargaining power to
> > buy an already established tablet at a substantial discount!
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
>

I have faced such mud slinging by vested interests so I can give fitting reply on behalf of Baba Ramdev...Alok

I am ashamed of Baba Ramdev.says Celine ....and my relpy ....Alok

Those with blood in vains of slavery of 1000 yrs, those with vested interest who have unleashed propaganda against Baba and those who fear what does not exists nd r comfortable in present lawless state may not read. ...Alok

I Celine Suresh state that our international image is spoilt because of people like Baba

Ramdev. It is was just when our country was gaining a strong foothold in all fields... that

people like the Baba have to spoilt it.

I further state that I was /am very proud of our imagge abroad as :

1. naked women and men line up in the morning nr highway and railway line for attending morning calls.
2. That many children in India die due to malnutrition/ under nourishment
3. That everyday a senior citizen is attacked
4. that innocent girls are raped daily somewhere or other often in hospitals, schools,police stations, place of politician
5. that many women everyday are beaten up by wife beaters and yet they are made hero of by their friends and relatives
6. that bride and her side has to bown down in the feet of groom , please them at any cost, give them what they want or ..... get their daughter beaten,killed,separated,humiliated,insulted
7. that lovely young couple who fall in love are killed by family and media calls it honour killing and not mad killing
8. that 75 % population are either not getting water or getting non potable water
9. that you have to bribe for for laying pyre, then for getting death certificate, then for getting probate, then getting names changed in property , licences of beloved decesed instead of getting sympathies at such times . And if they can take ur blood out ( for making Celine proud of India 's image) on death of family members then u can imagine what harrassment is caused to Indians on seeking various other permissions, licences, NOC.s, connections etc etc..
10. that every year many buildings fall and life and property are lost
11. that we have our govt hospitals, schools, gardens, roads , footpaths, other estabilishment in pathetic condition and that makes me the Celine Suresh a happy abt our image abroad.
12. that child labour, gender discrimation, suicides by farmers , poor, down trodden all that gives me sukun/ kick of pride and I feel proud of my nation abroad which Baba Ramdev is tarnishing.
13. That even today harijan are insulted, not allowed to enter temples ( even if come bathed, clean, healthy ) , punished for wearing shoes in so called mad superiors lane but I celine am proud of the condition of backwards, adivasies, poor.
14. And ofcourse I am proud of Bofors, Adarsh, 2 G, Raja, kani, Shahrukh, sachin, MF husain etc who only minted money for self.
15. I am also proud of big frauds, big miracle man , fraud Babas ( who openly advertise on media and dupe ) , astrologers who mislead and defraud innocents and exploit others, who indulge in shame less acts but ofcourse I am against Baba ramdev who teaches yoga and people willingly pay their fees to him , and or donate to him.
16. I am against Baba Ramdev as he has some money . But I dont want to know how much satya Sai Baba had, how much Pope of Rome has, how much Aga Khan has, how much respected saydena has ( but atleast made one good hospital in Mumbai), how much goes in coffers of Tirupati,Mahalxmi, Sidhivinayak , shirdi and how much is misused.
17. I am against those 4 ministers who received Baba Ramdev at Airport. Though I am not against top bureacrat and VIP who visited Satya sai baba the miracle man, and babas like him, who attand marriages and darbar of Dawood and other mafias, top police dancing in mafias party, I have great respect for all those filmies and others who paid their respect and paid alms to Dubai mafia and feel proud for them as they get national awards, free plots, free FSI and suck blood of poor.
18. I the Celine Suresh am greatly satisfied and feel proud that our govt spends millions every month to protect Kasab, other underworld kings, politician, film stars , those who spread communal voilence ( communal leaders) , those who blackmailed our city elites for two decades and same govt did brutal canning and fired tear gas shells on innocent peaceful sleeping women, children , senior citizens and even sadhus in the name of threat on Baba's life ( actually threat on money stocked abroad) .. Cant go on as jo samjhata hai woh samjhta hai or jo falsehood ke nashe mein dhutt hai use kya samjega??
19. I am not concerned when Indiraji was arrested and her folks went on rampage, I am not concerned how many sikhs died when Indiraji was assasinated not because of mob anger but because of inciting by congress leaders,I am not concerned when on communal demands rail roko andolan ( recently by a group of Rajasthan communal forces) made whole rail traffic go hay where for days, buses burnt,and so also I am proud of Kashmiri, Khalistani, Nagalandy, maoists, naxal and other voilent moments ( who killed thousands innocenets even Vaishno devi pilgrims) but I am against Baba Ramdev and his folks for not adopting such menas adopted by others,
20. I am proud of Indian Judiciary which only takes 30 yrs to deliver, and that there r only few ( 3 cr+) cases lying in court which will be take just 300 yrs to get cleared.
    
    merely typed by Alok on the instructions of spirit of celine and alike who visited me and dictated above.
    
    Alok Tholiya

N.B.:
Yes one bad incidence in life where this same govt machinary and those criminals protected by them teach u a lesson. Then sab kuch samjhega. Till then Bye..
Request to Baba Ramdev : Make a documentry of various issues raised, incidents narrated by me above and compare with ur peaceful andolan and yet how brutaly it was crushed. ..Alok


Read What Celine/ Seline Suresh wrote:;
Baba Ramdev

Posted by: "celine suresh" Selina_suresh@hotmail.com


Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:18 am (PDT)
Hi all,
All i would like to say is
that our international image is spoilt because of people like Baba
Ramdev. It
is was just when our country was gaining a strong foothold in all fields...
that
people like the Baba have to spoilt it.
People like the Baba who
have perfected yoga to such an extent would never die from
their fasting.
What was the need for an a/c tent etc...
It should have been the
industrialists of India to take up issues with our Government
that matter
most to our country... or our own people having a peaceful demonstrations
all
over the country to highlight such issues.

The question of black
money being stacked in Swiss Bank has been going on for ages...
certainly our
country will benefit a lot if this money was to come back. Our cities
and
villages could be developed on a better scale.. hence migration to our
main cities for
a livelihood would stop.
Right now, all the Indian
expats out here feel that their taxes in India go into the pot holes
of
Mumbai streets, Kasab briyani, free slum housing for people who do not deserve
it,
the shit on the streets of mumbai,
etc.
cheers
celine

I am ashamed of Baba Ramdev.says Celine ....and my relpy ....Alok

Those with blood in vains of slavery of 1000 yrs,  those with vested interest who have  unleashed propaganda against Baba and  those who fear what does not  exists nd r comfortable in present lawless state may not read. ...Alok 
 

I Celine Suresh state  that our international image is spoilt  because of people like Baba

Ramdev. It is was just when our country was  gaining a strong foothold in all fields... that

people like the Baba have to  spoilt it.

 

 

I further state that I was /am very proud of our imagge  abroad as :

 

1.    naked women and men line up in the morning nr highway and railway line  for attending morning calls.
2.   That many children in India die due to malnutrition/ under nourishment
3.   That everyday a senior citizen is attacked 
4.   that innocent girls are raped daily somewhere or other often in hospitals,  schools,police stations, place of politician
5.   that many women everyday are beaten up by wife beaters and yet they are made hero of by their friends and relatives
6.   that bride and her side has to bown down in the feet of groom , please them  at any cost, give them what they want or ..... get their daughter beaten,killed,separated,humiliated,insulted
7.  that lovely young couple who fall in love are killed by family and media  calls it honour killing and not mad killing
8.   that 75 % population are either not getting water or getting non potable  water
9.   that you have to bribe for for laying pyre, then for getting death  certificate, then for getting probate, then getting names changed in property ,  licences of beloved decesed instead of getting sympathies at such times . And if  they can  take ur blood out ( for making Celine proud of India 's image) on  death of family members then u can imagine what harrassment is caused to Indians  on seeking various other permissions, licences, NOC.s, connections  etc  etc..
10.   that every year many buildings fall and life and property are lost
11.   that we have our govt hospitals, schools, gardens, roads , footpaths, other  estabilishment in pathetic condition and that makes me the Celine Suresh a happy  abt our image abroad.
12.   that child labour, gender discrimation, suicides by farmers , poor, down  trodden all that gives me sukun/ kick of pride and I feel proud of  my nation abroad which Baba  Ramdev is tarnishing.
13.   That even today harijan are insulted, not allowed to enter temples ( even if  come bathed, clean, healthy ) , punished for wearing shoes in so called mad  superiors lane but I celine am proud of the condition of backwards, adivasies, poor. 
14.   And ofcourse I am proud of Bofors, Adarsh, 2 G, Raja, kani, Shahrukh,  sachin, MF husain etc who only minted money for self.
15.   I am also proud of big frauds, big miracle man , fraud Babas ( who openly  advertise on media and dupe ) , astrologers who mislead and defraud innocents  and exploit others, who indulge in shame less acts but ofcourse I am against  Baba ramdev who teaches yoga and people willingly pay their fees to him , and or donate to him.
16.   I am against Baba Ramdev as he has some money . But I dont want to know how  much satya Sai Baba had, how much Pope of Rome has, how much Aga Khan has, how  much respected saydena has ( but atleast made one good hospital in Mumbai), how much goes in coffers of Tirupati,Mahalxmi, Sidhivinayak , shirdi and how much is misused.
17.   I am against those 4 ministers who received Baba Ramdev at Airport. Though I am not against top bureacrat and VIP who visited Satya sai baba the miracle man, and  babas like him, who attand marriages and darbar of Dawood and other mafias, top  police dancing in mafias party, I have great respect for all those filmies and  others who paid their respect and paid alms to Dubai mafia and feel proud for them as they get national awards, free plots, free FSI and suck blood of poor.  
18.  I the Celine Suresh am greatly satisfied and feel proud that our govt spends  millions every month to protect Kasab, other underworld kings, politician, film  stars , those who spread communal voilence ( communal leaders) ,  those who  blackmailed our city elites for two decades and same govt  did brutal canning and fired  tear gas shells on innocent peaceful sleeping women, children , senior citizens  and even sadhus in the name of threat on Baba's life ( actually threat on money  stocked abroad) .. Cant go on as jo samjhata hai woh samjhta hai or jo falsehood  ke nashe mein dhutt hai use kya samjega??
19.  I am not concerned when Indiraji was arrested and her folks went on rampage, I am not concerned how many sikhs died when Indiraji was assasinated not because of mob anger but because of inciting by congress leaders,I am not concerned when on communal demands rail roko andolan ( recently by a group of Rajasthan communal forces) made whole rail traffic go hay where  for days, buses burnt,and so also I am proud of  Kashmiri, Khalistani, Nagalandy, maoists, naxal and other voilent moments ( who killed thousands innocenets even Vaishno devi pilgrims) but I am against Baba Ramdev and his folks for not adopting such menas adopted by others,
20.  I am proud of Indian Judiciary which only takes 30 yrs to deliver, and that there r only few ( 3 cr+) cases lying in court which will be  take just 300 yrs to get cleared.
     
    merely  typed by Alok on the instructions of  spirit of celine and alike who visited me and dictated above.
     
    Alok  Tholiya

 

N.B.:
Yes  one bad  incidence in life where this same govt machinary and those criminals protected  by them teach u a lesson. Then sab kuch samjhega. Till then Bye..

Request to Baba Ramdev : Make a documentry of various issues raised, incidents narrated by me above and compare with ur peaceful andolan and yet how brutaly it was crushed. ..Alok

 

   Read What Celine/ Seline Suresh wrote:;

Baba Ramdev

Posted by: "celine suresh" Selina_suresh@hotmail.com
 

Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:18 am (PDT)

Hi all,

All i would like to say is
that our international image is spoilt because of people like Baba
   Ramdev. It
is was just when our country was gaining a strong foothold in all fields...
that
people like the Baba have to spoilt it.

People like the Baba who
have perfected yoga to such an extent would never die from
   their fasting.
What was the need for an a/c tent etc...

It should have been the
industrialists of India to take up issues with our Government
that matter
most to our country... or our own people having a peaceful demonstrations
   all
over the country to highlight such issues.

The question of black
money being stacked in Swiss Bank has been going on for ages...
certainly our
country will benefit a lot if this money was to come back. Our cities
   and
villages could be developed on a better scale.. hence migration to our
main cities for
a livelihood would stop.

Right now, all the Indian
expats out here feel that their taxes in India go into the pot holes
   of
Mumbai streets, Kasab briyani, free slum housing for people who do not deserve
it,
the shit on the streets of mumbai,
etc.

cheers
celine

my reply to Celine ...Suresh on his remarks on Baba Ramdev.....Alok

Those with blood in vains of slavery of 1000 yrs, anti those against whom propaganda is unleashed by vested politicians, those who fear what does not exists but r comfortable in present lawless state may not read. ...Alok
 

I Celine Suresh state  that our international image is spoilt because of people like Baba
Ramdev. It is was just when our country was gaining a strong foothold in all fields... that
people like the Baba have to spoilt it.
 
 
I further state that I was am very proud of our imagge abroad as :

1. naked women and men line up in the morning nr highway and railway line up for attending morning calls.
2. That many children in India die due to malnutrition/ under nourishment
3. That everyday a senior citizen is attacked
4. that innocent girls are raped daily somewhere or other often in hospitals, schools,police stations, place of politician
5. that many women evryday are beaten up by wife beaters
6. that bride and her side has to bown down in the feet of groom , please them at any cost, give them what they want or .....
7. that lovely young couple who fall in love are killed by family and media calls it honour killing and not mad killing
8. that 75 % population are either not getting water or getting non potable water
9. that you have to bribe for for laying pyre, then for getting death certificate, then for getting probate, then getting names changed in property , licences of beloved decesed instead of getting sympathies at such times . And if they can  take ur blood out ( for making Celine proud of India 's image) on death of family members then u can imagine what harrassment is caused to Indians on seeking various other permissions, licences, NOC.s, connections  etc etc..
10. that every year many buildings fall and life and property are lost
11. that we have our govt hospitals, schools, gardens, roads , footpaths, other estabilishment in pathetic condition and that makes me tha Celine Suresh a happy abt our image abroad.
12. that child labour, gender discrimation, suicides by farmers , poor, down trodden all that gives me sukun as is a pride for my nation abroad which Baba Ramdev is tarnishing.
13. That even today harijan are insulted, not allowed to enter temples ( even if come bathed, clean, healthy ) , punished for wearing shoes in so called mad superiors but I celine am proud of the condition of backwards, adivasies, poor.
14. And ofcourse I am proud of Bofors, Adarsh, 2 G, Raja, kani, Shahrukh, sachin, MF husain etc who only minted money for self.
15. I am also proud of big frauds, big miracle man , fraud Babas ( who openly advertise on media and dupe ) , astrologers who mislead and defraud innocents and exploit others, who indulge in shame less acts but ofcourse I am against Baba ramdev who teaches yoga.
16. I am against Baba Ramdev as he has some money . But I dont want to know how much satya Sai Baba had, how much Pope of Rome has, how much Aga Khan has, how much respected saydena has ( but atleast made one good hospital in Mumbai) .
17. I am also not against top bureacrat and VIP who visited Satya sai baba and babas like him, who attand marriages and darbar of Dawood and other mafias, top police dancing in mafias party, I have great respect for all those filmies and others who paid their respect and paid alms to Dubai mafia.
18. I the Celine Suresh am greatly satisfied and feel proud that our govt spends millions every month to protect Kasab, other underworld kings, politician, film stars , those who spread communal voilence ( communal leaders) ,  those who blackmailed our city elites for two decades but did brutally canning and firing tear gas shalls on innocent peaceful sleepin women, children , senior citizens and even sadhus in the name of threat on Baba's life ( actually threat on money stocked abroad) .. Cant go on as jo samjhata hai woh samjhta hai or jo falsehood ke nashe mein dhutt hai use kya samjega??

 
 
Yes  one bad incidence in life where this same govt machinary and those criminals protected by them teach u a lesson.
 
merely  typed by Alok on the instructions of spirit of celine and alike who visited me and dictated above.
 
Alok Tholiya

Baba Ramdev

Posted by: "celine suresh" Selina_suresh@hotmail.com

Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:18 am (PDT)

Hi all,

All i would like to say is that our international image is spoilt because of people like Baba
Ramdev. It is was just when our country was gaining a strong foothold in all fields... that
people like the Baba have to spoilt it.

People like the Baba who have perfected yoga to such an extent would never die from
their fasting. What was the need for an a/c tent etc...

It should have been the industrialists of India to take up issues with our Government
that matter most to our country... or our own people having a peaceful demonstrations
all over the country to highlight such issues.


The question of black money being stacked in Swiss Bank has been going on for ages...
certainly our country will benefit a lot if this money was to come back. Our cities and
villages could be developed on a better scale.. hence migration to our main cities for
a livelihood would stop.

Right now, all the Indian expats out here feel that their taxes in India go into the pot holes
of Mumbai streets, Kasab briyani, free slum housing for people who do not deserve it,
the shit on the streets of mumbai, etc.

cheers
celine

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when morality is purchasable commodity ........ also read abt leading Advocates Nathaniji and Mehtaji

when morality is purchasable commodity anyone be it landlord/ tenant or anyone can buy.......

Reply to Jitenji on comment that landlord can buy police off.......

Also read about Advocate Nathani and Ad Divyakant Mehta

U r wrong in every statement. Atleast in my case.

1. I park my car half in open and half shade available to me. But my tenant who has not paid rent for 25 yrs is parking his 8 lac Rs. car Honda under illegally built shade. Come and see.
2. He is storing a 20 yrs old skeleton of a scooter in common passage to claim extra rights.
3. He had one more car which is only used by a family of another tenant. (What is an arrangement???)
4. He has enclosed the passage without permission.
5. Another person has locked the room for years and not staying and I wanted desperately a room for my daughter who is a dentist and working for 5 years with a trust running a clinic. He asked for Rs 30lacs for a 180 sq feet room which was originally a garage. Does not have a toilet. Does not have a water connection. There is no window. No separate kitchen. Pays Rs 40 pm to person inducted him illegally before we purchased the building.
6. Another tenant has kept all rubbish and dirty belongings in common passage, in common bathroom and use terrace for urinating, use walls to spit and throw I don't know what but do visit me to see everything to believe.
7. One of the trespassers is running a hotel in another old building, he has no license, made illegal structure, does nuisance everywhere and pays nothing. This person called me once and begged for Rs 15000/- so his seriously ill wife can be operated. He promised to return same in 15 days. But even after 10 yrs not a single penny has come. Several visits and follow up have gone in vain. He wields influence of one congress corporator who in turn is a man of a very powerful UP leader from the area. I have filed several RTI in police and BMC but u will see (pl. come and see) that under pressure of these goons none of the replies have come in time and are all twisting the facts.
8. There a paan shop and his rent is Rs 40 pm. Is not paying for 3 years or so. Has illegally given part of shop for stocking illegally inflammable stocks of shoes etc .Makes abt Rs. 50000/- per month. His father was a nice person and good friend of mine. He used to pay rent in time even when got affected with cancer. I had extended full help to him during his last days. Then after his sad demise his widow and sons approached me for change in name. I offered them a cup of tea and did the needful in five minutes. Did not take a single paisa or never went to their shop to have a pan or cold drink in my life time. But now when sons have taken over they say we are a men of one safforonist org and will not pay. They have another business near Santacruz Station too. One of the brother is software engineer and doing very well.But this  a common attitude of tenants of over use, misuse, and delay / not pay rent and yet get support from all as may be some landlords were bad.
9. Mrs. Bina Chowdhuri filed several cases on earlier landlord too. The year I purchased that building in 1989 (as we were the major tenant on ground floor of commercial premises and landlord desperately wanted to sell. We were tenants since 1947 or prior of entire ground floor. Never ever defaulted in paying rent. Never sent a notice to landlord, never filed any case against him and maintained very good relations with them as: Even today we cherish in our heart respect and love for them the simple, religious goan Christians. If they had not built and rented these shops to us at a negligible rent (about Rs 150/- for 1500 sq ft) our family would have been doing business on footpath like the new migrants do as rent cat has stopped investments in rent able properties. We would have been squatting on roads and railway lines like all migrants now living in slums and footpaths do....and so on. If there is any important virtue for human being ( worth being called a human) is one compassion and second gratitude / thankfulness/ paying back to those who have trusted you and given u something in life be it ur parents, landlord, society, nation or even a garden or hospital which u use and are created by others/ charities. But we use such places and spit/ litter and come out. But the genes in my family are different and loyalty, thankfulness, gratefulness are our virtue and we treated our landlords as shelter providers and respect them and vow to support them if need be.
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12. U have said abt landlords and influence etc  Here is a true tale with one tenant (we had relations better then a family but incidentally they were on paper tenants) :Grand son of my beloved bauji  Late Shri Navratan Goyal called  me at dead of night that his  grandfather is not well. He added that his parent is not at home and not likely to return soon.  I immediately called our family doctor Dr. Lily Tolat. She told me to rush him to nr by nursing home as she said he is a heart patient and that symptoms were of heart attack. I immediately jumped out ( knowing value of golden hour) , filled my pocket with whatever money I had at home and rushed to ground floor while instructing to call Hinduja Hospital. No sooner I reached him to Hinduja ( not giving step by step account as ur time is precious) in my Maruti the casualty staff waiting outside picked him and in casualty put him on all kind of life saving equipments, injections etc .. Then they informed it is a massive heart attack and any delay would have been fatal. Did I wait to change? Did I feel reluctant to rush him in my car leaving wife alone in bedroom? Did I wait for Mr. R N Goyal ( now retd V. P. Piramal Mills ) to come and pay for hospital expenses?? No. More than a tenant he was my neighbour, family and a sr. citizen and I had to do what I must do. That is a relations we keep with all but some looters/sinners/exploiters forget all that and give abuses, misuse, not pay rent, take us to court on wrong grounds etc.. And yet media and all others say landlords are bad) and I did what a responsible.

I am not writing here more abt great neighbors (incidentally tenants of ours) like Thakkar family, Mehta family, Gupta family with whom we enjoy best of relations and part of all family functions where no other tenant is but only our family inspite of being their landlords of past. (Now most of them have reached very great heights in their life one of them being President of a group of Rs 3000 crore.

If u or anyone wishes pl. come and see all this is narrated live/ documented and I can introduce few old good tenants too. So it is not necessary that all saints are bad if one of them does molesting, not all govt staff r bad, not all politicians are bad similarly not all tenants or all landlords are bad so do not whip all landlords with same  stick. I don't curse all tenants as we too were tenants and are looking for premises on rent for even my daughter. And even our landlords were very good, very nice and gave us opportunity to start our career from zero in Mumbai 65 yrs back. And I am not kamina to harass such shelter providers, give them notice, take them to court, misuse, and over use my rights. I am also not kamina to do anything out of law or morality against tenants. But like it is due to law they do not pay higher rents same law allows landlord to take certain steps against erring/ defaulting tenant.
The law says you cannot take action yourself and aggrieved then approach police and court so if any landlord approaches police or court then what is wrong?? It will be wrong if they approach Mafia. But not police and court. Ur saying they influence police. Money influences most authorities. My most tenants have 10 times more money then me. Their advocates are the costliest viz. Ad Amin Nathani, Ad Divyakant Mehta. You can find out what influence and fees they have. I am giving their name openly. I can give name of UP leader backing one of my trespassers in running illegal hotel only in person as that sure will invite wrath.

How far system has been misused by tenants?
1. One case file went missing and I had to knock doors up to 6 months and up to Supreme Court. So various methods are adopted by tenant to delay case. And matter is liberally adjourned.

2. Tenant went in appeal court but did not file papers for a year. Court did not say anything.

3. Then court fixed manse profit of Rs. 1000/- p.m. . . . We had given copies of agreements of different leave and license in court. As per that rent prevailing in area comes to Rs. 10000/- and we had asked for Rs 5000. - Per month.  Court in order said we have not given valuer's report. Fine. But while responding to tenant that he can't afford higher rent court agreed that his daughters are studying and that he says he can't afford. There court did not say if u claim u can't afford then u have not given copy of ur ration card that which colour bears, that give ur IT return, etc ?? And in the suite we had already brought on record that tenant has a palatial bungalow in Jaipur , owns farm house, owns several cars, scooters, travels abroad several times in a year etc.. But court did not take all this in account and fixed rent of Rs.1000/- . Come with me in my area and u will find that in slums rate for 280 sq feet is Rs 5000/- p.m... But court is supreme and we have to respect court as else we will be put behind bars for challenging court the almighty.

 

4.  Then on silly ground they sought condonation of delay in paying even that paltry rent ( and as told earlier their advocates are one of the costliest in Bandra Small causes court)  inspite of court orders. We allowed it as that is what they wanted we object and then they will delay in arguments for years on their application for condonation. And court will allow that.

 

Now abt landlords charging transfer fees and other monies:

 

As is always told by all bureaucrats when they come to our meetings: don't pay money wrongly/ don't pay and encourage bribing. Same applies here. Then even for a death certificate, even for probate, even for transfer of name in property records you have to pay officially and 10m times more unofficially.

 

BMC came and removed my name board from the building of my compound because I complained against illegal huge banner put up by BJP in front of my building at vakola. You can find that huge banner 365 days on Vakola Bridge in front of my building. They removed small steps made in front of gate on road as my sr. citizen members found it difficult to enter the building as that is always water logged and they don't clean the storm water drain and which is every year choked. They wanted bribe for cleaning the drain which I did not give and they removed the steps. But they don't remove the unauthorized structures built all over as they get bribe. 50 % of Mumbai is illegal and paying bribe. Did u object to that? If u had done so then at least some open spaces we cud see in Mumbai. But u object on landlords taking money.

 

My daughter cud not study further for masters as D Y Patil College asked for 33 lacs for admissions. I have stopped going to a big hospital as they arm twisted me and inspite of emergency and patient my father of 89 yrs they forced me to accept Super deluxe room costing Rs 10000/- per day ++++ Doctors  visit, medicines, tests extra inspite of   twin sharing room available. They said it is management policy. Want to come and check this fact at Asian Heart?

My cousin paid a bribe as doctors in Sion hospital said pl. pay a bribe or the dead body of father will be given only next day. My sr. citizen member Mrs. Hansa been told me they had to bribe Bhagawati hospital straff to take body oy their only son died in train accident. Has any landlord ever charged at such merciful occasions? How many such occasion's u have protested?? And I have and thus am unsuccessful man.

I know of a landlord whose tenant who never paid for 25 years and died . This landlord removed his car from parking place to give convenience to these tenants funeral. He shared his toilet etc with relatives who came to mourn for 13 days. He helped them when their house was flooded. But he gets worst ever abuses from tenants as some people are like that.

 

I can go on but best would be let TV channels take footage of these buildings and call landlords and tenants for open discussions to bring the truth out. Till then u pl. visits my building and I will show you the facts.

 

And last but not least I still with folded hands solicit good relations with my tenants and willing to forget past if hence forth they live with peace, live as a responsible, lawful citizens and follow the rent act in toto and not just what suits them. I reiterate if a good tenant wants to quit he has right to fair market price in compensation but not by blackmailing, threatening, arm-twisting and 4 of my tenants have gone that way on their own accord as they rose in life and still we have good old relations with them.

 

Alok Tholiya

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:58 PM, jiten <jitu11in@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

U r very right in whatever u have said, but this only one side of the coin. U have not mention the other side of the coin where with every transfer of tenancy, Landlord enjoy 1/3 of deal amount as transfer charges, as well they also take advantage of demanding hefty monies for all repairs done by tenant, even if the repairs r very legitimate and necessary. This way almost all landlords make a good killing. Apart from this, one can also come across n number of cases where landlords bully and harass financially or physically weak tenants who cannot match them in police station as well as legal court room fights.

rgds,
jg
--- In kurla_improvement_intellectuals@yahoogroups.com, Alok Tholiya <atholiya@...> wrote:
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> Deora's are themselves tenants and working to keep huge office premises for
> mere Rs 200/- p.m.. If the landlord sells them the building from that day
> they will become pro landlord and antitenant. Also their constituency
> consissts of tenants in large nos. So it is not sanity but vote bank that
> works.
> 1. Are theses tenants getting milk,water,tv cable/ DTH ,scool
> fees,bus,taxi,trains,petrol, vegetables,hospital bills etc @1950 rates? Has
> Deora opposed those increase???
> Let him donate 1000Cr from from his huge wealth and pay rent on behalf of
> those who cant afford like poor get subsidies for educations / schlerships
> from charities/ govt but why crush shelter providers??Let us handover to our
> future generation a better place to live in.
>

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